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(I've had this as a draft for weeks, in my Notepad -- been planning to post this both here and on Tumblr (where I'm spending more time, lately) -- and then, my posting agenda got derailed by the Drump going high-key evil, with kidnapping children. And I hate that. Anyway, I want to post this now, before Pride Month is over)
On Tumblr, many (a few? several? Anyway, a bunch) of very vocal younger bloggers are arguing that those in the LGBTQ community should never use the word "queer" to refer to themselves. because it's a slur (much to the annoyance of older folks on the site). So in May of last year, I entered the fray, by posting excerpts of course descriptions for "Queer Studies" available at colleges and universities around the U.S., as evidence that "The Q-Word" has a much richer, and older history than simply being a slur.
...And as I was reading through them, I kept thinking: "Damn! If these courses had been listed in the college catalogs in the '80s (when I was getting ready to graduate from high school) I would have signed up, even as a "Straight" person." Because I love me some interdisciplinary discussions, and the connections between art, cultural trends, and public policy. And if I had been in these classes as a twenty something, maybe I would have realized I was some flavor of queer before I became a fifty something.
I've been thinking about that again, during this year's Pride Month -- that maybe I'd be "queer" even if I were straight, because "heteronormivity" also excludes bodies like mine from what society considers "normal" sexual partnerships. And that got me thinking about the interdisciplinary course I did end up taking, in my Junior year of college (my academic advisor, by then, knew what intellectual buttons to push)
This would have been (*mumbling and counting on fingers*) in 1988? I think it was... ('twould be nifty if it were a round number of years ago) It was an experimental course called "Science and Society" that was taught cooperatively between a professor of philosophy and a professor of physics, focusing on two key points:
Anyway, one day in class, we were discussing when "Homosexuality" was removed from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, published by the American Psychiatric Association (APA), in 1973, because actually, Homosexuality is Normal.
And one of the professors explained what the distinction between "normal' and 'abnormal' actually means, in a mental health context, versus what people think it means:
Normal, she said, is something that occurs naturally, even if it occurs rarely, that causes no harm to the individual or the people around them. Gays and lesbians may only be 10% of the population (trans and nonbinary, bi, pan, and ace people weren't on our radar, yet). But even though it's unusual, being attacted to people of your own gender is something that happens naturally, and causes nobody any harm.
Therefore, homosexuality "normal."
She then went on to contrast homosexuality, which is considered 'abnormal' because it is rare, to antisemitism in to Nazi Germany where the inaction of people to resist rhe Holocaust has been excused "Because that's what everyone believed back then -- it was just 'normal'. ...But it harmed millions upon millions of people.
Therefore, Nazism is "abnormal."
Although we didn't use the word in class, I now think what our professor was actually talking about was "normativity."
According to Wikipedia, in philosophy and the social sciences, "normative" refers to those cultural expectations and beliefs which we presume to be healthy and natural, based on our prejudices:
"Normal" = Is. "Normative" = Should Be
So: being heterosexual and being some flavor of LGBTQ are both "normal," in that all variations of sexuality and gender identity are part of the natural range of human experience, and don't, in themselves, cause anyone any harm. That's why pedophilia, beastiality, and incels have no place in the LGBTQ community: they can label themselves with "Alternate" sexuality all they want. But the 'urges' they want the freedom to act out causes harm to others.
And so does "Straight Pride" and "White Pride."
LGBTQ Pride: We're here. We've a normal part of the human race. And we are healthy and loving, even if we're different.
Straight Pride/White Pride: We demand that you submit to our power over you, and be happy about it.
So... Anyway: ...I was hoping to have come to this point and have a really strong, coherent, closing paragraph to wrap this all up. But I don't. I guess this month has just got me thinking about Queerness, and Nazis in equal measure. And that brought up the memory of a classroom discussion from 30 years ago.
Also: I'm queer... in more ways than one (I count at least 3).
(I've had this as a draft for weeks, in my Notepad -- been planning to post this both here and on Tumblr (where I'm spending more time, lately) -- and then, my posting agenda got derailed by the Drump going high-key evil, with kidnapping children. And I hate that. Anyway, I want to post this now, before Pride Month is over)
On Tumblr, many (a few? several? Anyway, a bunch) of very vocal younger bloggers are arguing that those in the LGBTQ community should never use the word "queer" to refer to themselves. because it's a slur (much to the annoyance of older folks on the site). So in May of last year, I entered the fray, by posting excerpts of course descriptions for "Queer Studies" available at colleges and universities around the U.S., as evidence that "The Q-Word" has a much richer, and older history than simply being a slur.
...And as I was reading through them, I kept thinking: "Damn! If these courses had been listed in the college catalogs in the '80s (when I was getting ready to graduate from high school) I would have signed up, even as a "Straight" person." Because I love me some interdisciplinary discussions, and the connections between art, cultural trends, and public policy. And if I had been in these classes as a twenty something, maybe I would have realized I was some flavor of queer before I became a fifty something.
I've been thinking about that again, during this year's Pride Month -- that maybe I'd be "queer" even if I were straight, because "heteronormivity" also excludes bodies like mine from what society considers "normal" sexual partnerships. And that got me thinking about the interdisciplinary course I did end up taking, in my Junior year of college (my academic advisor, by then, knew what intellectual buttons to push)
This would have been (*mumbling and counting on fingers*) in 1988? I think it was... ('twould be nifty if it were a round number of years ago) It was an experimental course called "Science and Society" that was taught cooperatively between a professor of philosophy and a professor of physics, focusing on two key points:
- The scientific method is a particular thing, and not just a vague belief like faith or intuition. It is also the best tool we humans have to figure out the truth of the world. And
- Scientists are human beings, with human limitations, and are swayed by all the bigotries and biases awash in their cultures, just like the rest of us... And that influences how they use the tool that is the scientific method.
Anyway, one day in class, we were discussing when "Homosexuality" was removed from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, published by the American Psychiatric Association (APA), in 1973, because actually, Homosexuality is Normal.
And one of the professors explained what the distinction between "normal' and 'abnormal' actually means, in a mental health context, versus what people think it means:
Normal, she said, is something that occurs naturally, even if it occurs rarely, that causes no harm to the individual or the people around them. Gays and lesbians may only be 10% of the population (trans and nonbinary, bi, pan, and ace people weren't on our radar, yet). But even though it's unusual, being attacted to people of your own gender is something that happens naturally, and causes nobody any harm.
Therefore, homosexuality "normal."
She then went on to contrast homosexuality, which is considered 'abnormal' because it is rare, to antisemitism in to Nazi Germany where the inaction of people to resist rhe Holocaust has been excused "Because that's what everyone believed back then -- it was just 'normal'. ...But it harmed millions upon millions of people.
Therefore, Nazism is "abnormal."
Although we didn't use the word in class, I now think what our professor was actually talking about was "normativity."
According to Wikipedia, in philosophy and the social sciences, "normative" refers to those cultural expectations and beliefs which we presume to be healthy and natural, based on our prejudices:
"Normal" = Is. "Normative" = Should Be
So: being heterosexual and being some flavor of LGBTQ are both "normal," in that all variations of sexuality and gender identity are part of the natural range of human experience, and don't, in themselves, cause anyone any harm. That's why pedophilia, beastiality, and incels have no place in the LGBTQ community: they can label themselves with "Alternate" sexuality all they want. But the 'urges' they want the freedom to act out causes harm to others.
And so does "Straight Pride" and "White Pride."
LGBTQ Pride: We're here. We've a normal part of the human race. And we are healthy and loving, even if we're different.
Straight Pride/White Pride: We demand that you submit to our power over you, and be happy about it.
So... Anyway: ...I was hoping to have come to this point and have a really strong, coherent, closing paragraph to wrap this all up. But I don't. I guess this month has just got me thinking about Queerness, and Nazis in equal measure. And that brought up the memory of a classroom discussion from 30 years ago.
Also: I'm queer... in more ways than one (I count at least 3).
This is good. Normativity is a useful concept.
Date: 2018-06-30 10:23 pm (UTC)The statistical concept of "normal" refers to the most commonly appearing items among a range. This online stats textbook helpfully defines seven important characteristics of the Normal distribution, aka the Bell Curve.
Here's the BMJ's almost comprehensible discussion of 'normality' in the context of medical research.
So: statistical normal conveys how frequently something does or doesn't happen.
And speaking of medicos, they're often fond of splitting disabled folks like us into "normal" vs "pathological," or "broken."
The final log for the fire is Rosemary Garland Thompson's term "normate." Which I adore because it's a much more informative and truer descriptor than "abled." (If anything, non-disabled people are "enabled.")
/another glass of cold tea.
Re: This is good. Normativity is a useful concept.
Date: 2018-07-01 01:00 pm (UTC)Here's the definition as Jay Timothy Dolmage wrote it, in his book Disability Rhetoric:
I love: a) the link between "bodily configurations" and "Cultural Capital" (who gets represented in media, who's considered the preferable customer, etc.) and b) that "bodily configurations" covers a wider definition of just ability/disability, but also race and perceived gender.
So yes. I want this term to enter the the lexicon of common chatter, in the same way 'Straight' and "honky" have.
Re: This is good. Normativity is a useful concept.
Date: 2018-07-25 11:39 pm (UTC)Extraordinary bodies: figuring physical disability in American culture and literature - Rosemary Garland Thomson
from “Preface to the 20th anniversary edition”
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Date: 2018-06-30 11:11 pm (UTC)Oh, interesting thought!
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Date: 2018-07-01 12:43 pm (UTC)And, further evidence in support of that idea, the other day I learned (through this thread) that, depending on which U.S. state you live in, if you're an adult who became disabled before the age of 22 (for example, yours truly), you can risk losing all of your social security disability insurance if you marry -- even if both of you are disabled.
Which massively sucks, because the system also expects your spouse, parents, siblings, etc. to provide the bulk of your daily living support -- my parents are dead, I have no siblings, and I'd be heavily penalized if I ever got a spouse. ... Kind of hard to look at that entanglement and not conclude that society just wants us to hurry up and die, already.
I'm coming 'round to Michael Warner's argument that the LGBTQ community was aiming for the entirely wrong goal, when it focused on winning Marriage Equality, and instead, we should aim for getting recognition for a broader range of relationships.
Personally, I think the State (in the broadest abstract sense) should get out of marriage regulation entirely.
Civil Partnerships for the Staights! ;-)
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Date: 2018-07-04 09:16 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2018-07-04 12:02 pm (UTC)I mean: how many people know that Alfred Kinsey noted the phenomenon of asexuality when he published his report in 1948? It's stated, flat out in the first paragraph of the Wikipedia article about it, but of course, it's not shown in the illustration chosen for it. Kinsey, himself, was sexual, and was only interested in sexual behavior, so his description of it was about a nuanced as a sledgehammer. But he did note that it happened.
And this paragraph, introducing a 2005 biography of Hans Christian Andersen, leaves me utterly convinced that the author was a biromantic asexual (though admittedly, only a TARDIS-enabled private conversation could confirm that, now). But the author of the biography describes him as "gay virgin" -- two erasures for the price of one!* \o/ And that didn't come from Tumblr culture.
Also, since figuring out I was Ace a couple of years ago, I've found more others there than other platforms online -- probably because there's just a greater number of people there than there are at AVEN. But yeah... the way Tumblr is set up, with anon asks, and the social capital of the notes system, it does enable the hostile entrenchment of different groups, and gives more power to those determined to be hostile to others.
*(and after rereading the original "Ugly Duckling" -- not the oversimplified picture book versions -- I think he might also have been trans ... or at least was friends with some).
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Date: 2018-07-04 12:39 pm (UTC)Merely that let's say 25 years ago I remember bisexuality being very much treated with suspicion and disgust and Not Even a Thing, and then the last say 7 years that changing, but now at Tumblr which I where I see most Discourse, there's a kickback against bisexuality *and* asexuality which is still pretty much in its infancy and frequently still treated as Not a Thing *sigh*.
Oh yes double erasure for HCA! Again there's a push to see historical figures as gay but rarely as bi or asexual let alone with a split model label :/
"Tumblr is set up, with anon asks, and the social capital of the notes system, it does enable the hostile entrenchment of different groups, and gives more power to those determined to be hostile to others." This so much, you've captured it perfectly. Plus then people reblog uncritically instead of discussing, even if they disagree a little maybe it shows up in their tags or maybe not but few people ever see tags; then that post reaches a wider audience and so on...it's a mess.
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Date: 2018-07-04 02:51 pm (UTC)And then, there are the people who never tag, and that always leaves me scratching my head: "Who are you?! What is it about my post did you think was so important?!"
Also: What fandom is this? What movie/comic/TV show? is this a crack!fic? or serious political commentary? Give me something to Google, so I can learn more!