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I give you more from Persuasion (YAY! I spelled it with an 's' instead of a 't' on the very first go!).

This passage comes at the very end of the book, so I'm sorry if it comes as a spoiler (But, hey: it's a Jane Austen romance novel. Doesn't everyone know at the outset that all six of her heroines end up with their right matches, at the end? The suspense is in the how). But this bit had me saying "Yesyesindeedso-justso. Yes!" as I was reading it:

... The disproportion in their fortune was nothing*; it did not give her a moment's regret; but to have no family to receive and estimate him properly, nothing of respectability, of harmony, of good will to offer in return for all the worth and all the prompt welcome which met her in his brothers and sisters, was a source of as lively pain as her mind could well be sensible of under circumstances of otherwise strong felicity. ...


This bit reminds me a bit of Sandra Bullock's character in While You Were Sleeping: The heroine doesn't just fall in love with her "love interest," but with his entire circle of friends and family.

And as someone with no brothers and sisters, and whose youngest and closest cousin (in terms of genes, if not acquaintance and distance) is ten years older than I, I read this passage with a pang, and felt pretty close to the heroine in more than just a one-letter difference in our names...

A circle of friends, and welcoming family, is important. Just as important as any romantic connection brought on by the metaphoric shot of Cupid's arrow through the heart.

It's a point that Austen makes throughout the book. Not only does Austen tell us how unhappy Anne is, trapped in a house with her father and older sister, but she quickly moves Anne out of that house into another, where Austen can contrast the petty neuroses of Anne's sister Mary with the healthier family of the Musgroves. The Musgroves have their own prides and foolishness, but it's also clear that they love and support each other. And gradually, even without saying a single word directly, Austen shows us how her heroine is gradually regaining her boldness and feelings of self-worth (even while she reports the self-doubts that play through Anne's head through the sheer force of habit), absorbing healthier feelings about herself as though through osmosis. So when the accident happens, it's not at all surprising when she takes charge of the situation and everyone listens to her and respects her intelligence.

(As I'm writing this paragraph, I'm thinking about how thoroughly modern Jane Austen is, as a writer, in terms of psychological complexity and realism in her characters [at least in this novel]. I think she's even more modern than Dickens, in this regard, and she was writing her works about fifty years earlier than Dickens. Perhaps the fact that she was a woman, and therefore forced to write anonymously, gave her more creative freedom, even as it restricted profits from her labors.)

Austen wrote six novels; I've now read half of them. So far, Persuasion is my favorite. Mansfield Park will be dramatized on TV tomorrow night (with Billie Piper in the heroine's role). After reading the synopsis on Wikipedia, I'm not particularly looking forward to it -- it sounds prudish and puritanical, and tangled, plot-wise, and melodramatic. I'm am intrigued by Emma, though; apparently, the protagonist in that story is a manipulative and cunning anti-heroine (I've got to give kudos to Austen for writing a very different story, each time she published a novel. Writing only six books in your lifetime may seem paltry, by today's standards. But today's authors seem to hit on one winning formula, and write that one thing over and over. Austen was in the middle of writing a seventh book, when she died, and I think it was going to be a book that focused on brothers. Too bad she never got to finish that. That would have been interesting).

*Anne came from a noble family, but by the time she married, her father had squandered her inheritance to a fraction of ten thousand pounds. Captain Wentworth had a fortune of twenty-five thousand pounds -- and he had earned it.

Date: 2008-01-26 11:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alto2.livejournal.com
For what it's worth, I've seen the Mansfield Park that's airing tomorrow and enjoyed it. Of course, I've not read the novel, so I don't know what heresies may have been committed in the adaptation, but as a standalone piece, I don't recall having any big issues with it. Of course, it's been a while, and I may change my mind when I see it again tomorrow night, but thought I'd mention that just in case it proves encouraging at all :)

Date: 2008-01-26 11:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] capriuni.livejournal.com
Yes, that is encouraging. Thank you.

I was planning on watching it, in any case. But my enthusiasm just isn't as high.

BTW, I really liked the adaptation of Northanger Abbey, which was done by Alan Davies, and it was quite as faithful to what I remembered of the novel, which I haven't read in many years. Did you see that one? In my head, it will now be called, forever: "When fangirls attack" ;-)

Date: 2008-01-27 12:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alto2.livejournal.com
I did see NA, and enjoyed it. Your name amuses me greatly :)

BTW, Andrew Davies is the screenwriter. Alan Davies is an actor and comedian ;)

Date: 2008-01-27 12:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] capriuni.livejournal.com
Names, Shmame! I don't have time for such trivial details!

Re: NA: it was Austen's first novel. She was only 23 when she wrote it! When I read [whatever it is] I imagine what the author would have to say about the world I'm living in now. And as I was watching NA, I was imagining how a young Jane would have replied to the fen on the fanforums in LJ and other places... ;-) I think she probably would have amused us all.

I didn't have access to the culture of fandom when I first read the book, and I think my present experiences in those circles greatly enhanced my enjoyment of the story, this time around...

Date: 2008-01-27 12:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alto2.livejournal.com
Names, Shmame! I don't have time for such trivial details!

Hee! That's probably the most appropriate response to that comment! :)

I wonder sometimes how fandom affects the enjoyment of whatever show/book/movie/person you're fangirling. I frequently wonder if it's made New Who less fun for me, in all honesty. But I know that it greatly enhanced my enjoyment of The West Wing, for instance, so I can't say that it's all bad (and I wonder what the differentiating factor is...).

But that's a whole other post in itself!

Date: 2008-01-27 01:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] capriuni.livejournal.com
I think it depends on the quality of the fans, frankly. I know my enjoyment of oldwho has been enhanced by it... for one thing, I never would have discovered Troughton without it.

Mostly, though, I meant that since I've encountered fandom (even of shows I've never watched), I have a greater appreciation of Catherine Morland, as a character. I'd never encountered that level of young enthusiasm when I first read the book, so the satire in those passages whizzed about ten feet over my head -- I didn't even know they were flying up there...

Date: 2008-01-27 01:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alto2.livejournal.com
Ahh, sorry--I think I peripherally understood what you meant there, but didn't really think about it.

And yes, I think fandom does more for me with Old Who. (Though sometimes it just leaves me completely blinkered, like the fics where different incarnations of the Doctor are snnogging each other. Um...ouch! No!) New Who, though...I do wonder if I'd like it more if I watched it all on my own. Though I think things like Rusty's tendency to recycle his own plots and to go for the easy laugh or let characters off the hook would eventually have annoyed me regardless, I wonder if perhaps it would have taken more time. But there's no real way to know about that at this point.

Date: 2008-01-26 11:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uncacreamy.livejournal.com
There's two god movie versions of Emma.. one is "Emma", with Gwenyth Paltrow and Alan Cumming (Which is awesome). The other is "Clueless", which is a modern version, but has some of even the same dialogue. It's actually really good.

Sense and Sensibility has a brilliant version with Emma Thompson, Kate Winslet, Alan Rickman, Hugh Grant, and Hugh Laurie. I really love it.

Date: 2008-01-26 11:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] capriuni.livejournal.com
I'll look forward to both the film versions of Emma. Though now that I'm mature enough (I don't think I was with my first Austen encounters), and more aware of Austen's sheer craftsmanship, I'd also like to make a point of reading the originals.

Emma Thompson won an Oscar for her adaptation of Sense and Sensibility, didn't she? ...I remember who acceptance speach, where she thanked Austen as her co-writer. Austen's books are so deeply feminist, I sometimes wonder if the gender of the adaptor makes a difference in the interpretation. As faithful as he is the originals, Alan Davies did say that he didn't think Austen's stories were complete without new scenes of men only inserted...

to which my response is: O rly? ;-)

Date: 2008-01-27 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alto2.livejournal.com
I'm not sure if Emma won an Oscar for the adaptation, but I know she won a Golden Globe. Her acceptance speech was "If Jane Austen Had Been at the Golden Globes" and was quite funny. I don't see it on YouTube, etc, but it is on the DVD of the movie. Hugh Laurie is especially brilliant as Mr Palmer (clearly Greg House's great-great-great grandfather!). And her film diaries for S&S are also hilarious. Some classic Alan Rickman moments :)

Date: 2008-01-27 12:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] capriuni.livejournal.com
"If Jane Austen Had Been at the Golden Globes" and was quite funny.

That must be what I'm remembering, although vaguely.

Date: 2008-01-27 12:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alto2.livejournal.com
I looked after I commented (why not before? Silly me) and she did win the Oscar for the adaptation as well. The Globes speech is undoubtedly the more memorable of the two, though, so it may very well be what's coming to mind.

Date: 2008-01-27 01:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] indefatigable42.livejournal.com
I've seen the Gwenyth Paltrow version, and it's very cute. I wouldn't call Emma so much of an anti-heroine as someone who bumbles around with good intentions and later learns her lesson.

I loved that Sense and Sensibility. That's one I would own on DVD if I could find it. Largely because of Alan Rickman.

Date: 2008-01-27 02:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alto2.livejournal.com
Is it hard to find the S&S disc these days? That's a shame. It's so wonderful--and like you, I'm fond of it in no small part for Alan Rickman. I've often watched the "good parts version" where I skip all the Willoughby nonsense and watch all of Brandon's scenes. (Or if I'm really in a hurry and in a mood for snark, I do the same thing with Mr Palmer--takes about 15 minutes!)

If you're a fan of the movie and of AR, I highly recommend Emma's film diaries. She writes wonderfully, with great humor, and I suspect some of the AR moments she quotes are things he may not have expected to see in print when he said them! ;)

Date: 2008-01-27 02:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] indefatigable42.livejournal.com
I dunno, I haven't looked hard enough in a while. :P Maybe now that I have the money I should go hunting for it. I'm sure I could order it online if I had a credit card. ;)

Date: 2008-01-27 05:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uncacreamy.livejournal.com
Yes, yes she did.:) I'm also impressed by her restraint not to direct it.

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