Okay ... just watched "Rose"...

[capri0mni]

Favorite bits:

1) That scene in the basement, when she's looking for Wilson, just before the Autons attack. There's a split-second where you catch a glimpse of Rose's reflection in a dirty mirror. It's just a wonderful play of illusion and reality -- puts the viewer in a similiar state as Rose, not sure of what she's seeing.

2) That scene right after, when the Doctor compliments her on her reasoning that "it must be students."

3) The whole scene that starts: "She deserves compensation"

4) "Who are you?"
"I told you -- the Doctor."
"yeah, but ...Doctor what?"
"Just 'the Doctor'."
"The Doctor?"
"Hello!"
"Is that supposed to sound impressive?
"Sort of..."

5) The way Rose is not helpless -- even though I couldn't make out the second part of her speach, when she lists all the things she does have, right before she 'swung' into action (ducks for that one).

6) The way those favorite bits fit into the whole...

Now, for my one nit to pick: In Rose's apartment, the Doctor looks at his reflection in the mirror, and fiddles with his ears, as if this is a brand, spanking new regeneration. And yet, in Clive's files, it's the only regeneration there's any image of. You mean to tell me that the Doctor had already done all that adventuring, and never once looked in a reflective surface until just that moment? Doesn't make sense, especially since Clive speculated that the title of The Doctor must have been passed down from father to son...

Yeah, okay. So it's a very small nit..

I was also going to post a personal theory on the limits of space-time travel, if it were real... but this squee took longer than I expected, and it really is a seperate subject, so...

Comments

[drox.livejournal.com]

...in Clive's files, it's the only regeneration there's any image of.

Guess he hasn't hacked UNIT's files. What an eye-opener *that* would be!

You mean to tell me that the Doctor had already done all that adventuring, and never once looked in a reflective surface until just that moment?

Not necessarily. Maybe he's *going* to do those things. They're in Clive's past, but the Doc's (personal) future. Hmmm. He'd better not look in Clive's 'puter, or he'll get some spoilers of his own!

That having been said, I did growl a bit at the mirror-gazing and ear-tugging. If only for selfish fanfic reasons. I'd rather that Nine have a long history (as Nine) before meeting Rose. Y'know, so we can all write about it!

[capriuni.livejournal.com]

Not necessarily. Maybe he's *going* to do those things. They're in Clive's past, but the Doc's (personal) future.

Yeah. I thought about that, about half an hour after I made this post... isn't that always the way? ;-)

I think that post-regenerative silliness, while a wonderful tip of the hat to this previous generation of fans, was really unnecessary -- especially since Davies' stated goal of aiming straight for today's 10-year olds.

I mean, isn't that the reason he didn't do a regeneration scene at the beginning of the story, in the first place?

[trinalin.livejournal.com]

Maybe it's the first chance he's gotten to look at himself in the mirror? :-)

[capriuni.livejournal.com]

well, maybe... but that's what I find so hard to believe -- never to see your reflection anywhere? Not even in a darkened window, with the sun behind you, or in your cup of tea?

I mean, I can go days without actually looking in a mirror, but I have caught my reflection in other places (like the oven door, in my kitchen, or my old computer monitor, when it wasn't turned on...

[drox.livejournal.com]

I think that post-regenerative silliness, while a wonderful tip of the hat to this previous generation of fans, was really unnecessary...

Agreed 100%. I was entertained, even while cringing.

And didja notice how dense and unobservant everyone seemed? Rose not noticing the Doc being strangled by the plastic hand (though she may be forgiven that one after the show that her boyfriend put on), not noticing that said boyfriend was MADE OF PLASTIC a few scenes later (though that may say more about him than her)... and of course the Doctor not noticing a huge circular transmitter when he's looking right at it. There seems to be an ongoing theme here.

[capriuni.livejournal.com]

Rose not noticing the Doc being strangled by the plastic hand (though she may be forgiven that one after the show that her boyfriend put on)

Actually, that was the point -- she did notice, and told him, rather pointedly:

"Oh, cut that out! You're all the same. What is it with men and a plastic hand?"

(or something to that effect, not sure I caught all the words, as she was sort of muttering under her breath, and his struggling was rather distracting.)

not noticing that said boyfriend was
MADE OF PLASTIC a few scenes later (though that may say more about him than her)...

That bothered me more.... But that may also be a comment on how we take each other for granted, and not really see each other. Then again, she was bound and determined not to believe in aliens and "living plastic," that it was as much seeing what she wanted to see, as what she expected to see.

(and, don't forget that her mother never even comments on the broken coffee table...)
And he definitely looked more human by the time they sat down at the cafe.

and of course the Doctor not noticing a huge circular transmitter when he's looking right at it.

Well, I think that's a character trait found in several of the Doctors, actually -- he gets so wrapped up with the thoughts in his head that he doesn't see what's in front of his eyes.

[drox.livejournal.com]

Actually, that was the point -- she did notice, and told him, rather pointedly:

"Oh, cut that out! You're all the same. What is it with men and a plastic hand?"

Picked that up with subsequent viewing. Despite that, she still seemed to be determinedly ignoring him before that though. She managed to miss the whole ear-flapping, book-skimming, tabloid-reading, card-shuffling display of weirdness, until the strangled-with-the-plastic-hand schtick finally got her attention (and not in the way he'd have liked).

[capriuni.livejournal.com]

she still seemed to be determinedly ignoring him before that though.

Well, he was in the sitting room and she was in the kitchen, fixing the pot of coffee, with her back to him.

And he was more talking to himself than to her...that part of the scene didn't strike me as out of place at all...

But the "He's gay, she's an alien" did strike me as a cheap rip off of MiB. But that's a really tiny nit...

[pedanther]

Guess he hasn't hacked UNIT's files. What an eye-opener *that* would be!

He has now.

[capriuni.livejournal.com]

I thought Clive was killed, in the pilot... and the site you linked to is signed "Micky"

[pedanther]

Sorry, I oversimplified for the effect.

It was Clive's site, but of course Clive's not updating it now, because he's dead. Mickey's a friend of his who volunteered to keep it going. (There's a notice explaining on one of the internal pages of the site.) So it was really Mickey who uncovered the UNIT web site, but in a metaphorical sense it was Clive. See?

I thought of something, while heating up my morning coffee...

[capriuni.livejournal.com]

I'd rather that Nine have a long history (as Nine) before meeting Rose. Y'know, so we can all write about it!

I was pondering that, this morning. You know: where would there be time for all of Clive's 'historical' accounts of the Ninth Doctor to happen? He's apparently newly regenerated at the start of the season, and the Beeb probably knew by the time the show aired, that Eccleston had only signed up for that one season.... they've got a regen scene already in mind, and Rose is there to witness it.

And we're already nearly half-way through the season, and no Kennedy assassination, no Titanic, no visit to Sumatra... and besides, the Doctor is alone in all those pictures -- no Rose. So... he's got to have had time without her. But when?

Then, I realized we do, indeed, have a fanfic gap. That old dear Davies gave it to us when the Doctor and Rose say goodbye. The TARDIS dematerializes. Then reappears a minute or so later (from Rose's pov). But the Doctor might have been traveling (alone or with other companions) for years -- maybe even decades -- between those two moments, then, decided he wanted to meet up with Rose again.

Whatcha think?

Re: I thought of something, while heating up my morning coffee...

[drox.livejournal.com]

But the Doctor might have been traveling (alone or with other companions) for years -- maybe even decades -- between those two moments, then, decided he wanted to meet up with Rose again.

Whatcha think?

I think I like!

Re: I thought of something, while heating up my morning coffee...

[capriuni.livejournal.com]

Yeah... when that realization walked in, it made my brain very happy...